Y: The Descent of Men
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  • Sensationalism at its worst
  • Relies too much on supposition like it's fact
  • An odd mixture of the interesting and the tedious
  • The human male; Is he really privileged?
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Y: The Descent of Men
Steve Jones
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In his highly entertaining and enlightening book, the acclaimed geneticist and author Steve Jones offers a landmark exploration of maleness. With effervescent wit, Jones argues that men, biologically speaking, are the true second sex. Here he lays out the cases for and against masculinity -- exploring every biological aspect from the genesis of the Y chromosome onward -- based on the recent explosion of biological research. Along the way, he offers pithy commentary on topics such as male hormones, hair loss, and the hydraulics of man's most intimate organ. Fascinating and often surprising, Jones's evidence offers fresh fuel for the battle of the sexes.

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1 out of 5 stars Sensationalism at its worst.......2005-08-31

This book would have been convincing if it had relied on hard facts
and better research of human evolution. However like many before him Mr. Jones deviates from rational argument and shows his prejudice in this work which relies solely on a sometimes poorly interpreted meaning of what we have learnt about the human DNA.

One area in which Jones argument displays a clear lack of knowledge ( for a suppposed scientific writer of repute). Is in his paragraph about the reproductive system of men vs women. Here Jones states that men have an inefficient system due to the millions of sperm men produce vs the comparatively small amount of offspring that is resulted. What Mr Jones doesn"t realise is that not all sperm are designed to impregnate, as research has proven that the majority of sperm are in fact soldier sperm designed to seek out a rival males sperm present in a woman and prevent it from fertilizing her egg, much like a game of american football. Thus is the competeive nature of humans (by nature the strongest do indeed survive).

There is nothing inefficient about this ...in fact men continue to produce large amounts of sperm well into their 70s and onwards and can continue a very healthy reproductive life well into a very ripe old age. Women in comparison have a very limited (finite)supply of eggs and their reproductive usefulness is relatively speaking short lived.

Jones also goes on about how the Y chromosome is smaller and full of foreign material, plagued by impurities compared to the X chromosome.This may be true
due to a single chromosome not being able to recombine, however, maleness as its been termed in the Y chromosome isnt solely determined by the Y chromosome. X and Y = male, therefore the X chromosome is also part male( being the primary chromosome shared in all humans) and the Y merely acts as a powerful switch to activate what is carried and useful solely for the male species. The Y chromosome has reduced in size the author claims due to its degeneration. Well this may be partly true, however the Y chromosome has become efficient because it doesn't need to carry or duplicate the genetic information already present in the X thus it carries only that which is needed to activate maleness from the X this can account for the size reduction.

If two xx chromosomes are present and even a hint of Y is imprinted on an X then the result will be a male. It is a small and sometimes slightly more vulnrable chromosome in some ways but it is a dominant gene in that when presnt the result will always be male no matter how many X chromosomes there are. Thus thius is scientifiuc proof on how powerful the Y chromosome really is.

We also know from research that the X chromosome has just as many impurities and in fact the better portion of X chromosome data that was gathered and could be used to effectively decode it came from men, can we generalise and claim that the X chromosomes that are passed onto men are of better quality?
The only great thing about the X is not the X chromosome itself but in the fact that since 2 Xs are present in a female it can recombine and negate the defective gene thereby reducing the odds of flaws being passed on to female offspring, but it's far from perfect.

We do know that in the beginning of the DNA decoding project that the many samples of Y chromosomes were taken from a poor selection of male candidates, in fact to complete the sequence very good samples were supplied from Mediteranean and asian countries, what hasnt been explained is why the male DNA of mediterranean and in some cases asia are of better quality than the Y chromosomes from Britain or some parts of the U.S.A?

Could this be a sign that men in The USA and Britain have suffered far more DNA damage? and is this due to drugs and environmental pollutants?

My point being that the book is full of generalisations and suppositions resulting in the authors conclusions that really when examined fall very short of being conclusively convincing.

Are we still in an age where one sex must be superior? We know the sexes are equal(on the whole) but in different ways each has an advantage over the other. To state that one is the first sex and the other the second is a pretty backward form of thinking. And scientific research has no definite verdict on this, even today although we can hear all kinds of argument.

Men and women Xy or XX chromosomed peoples have equal imperfections -that is the only fact gathered from DNA research.

Both have very clear strengths and weaknesses...

Unfortunately this book doesn't stick to fact, and refuses to balance the argument.

At one point Mr. Jones makes reference to mens genital size and supports his argument by stating that it is reported from a Japanese brothel that the average size is around 5.5 inches?

I live in japan and I've never heard of a brothel here measure or keeping stas on anyone, Japanese are very discreet, also how accurate can a brothel in japan be? Is this a method of good science? Actually on Japanese TV they claimed that the average size here was a mere 5 inches, thats way smaller than that of people of European or African descent. But what's Jones point anyway apart from trying to cash in on a bit of man bashing?

This book is a disappointing read overall, it's too general, makes some very wild assumptions and really leaves out so much data that shows that the Y chromosome is in fact quite an efficient and important chromosome in the evolution of mankind.Men share both X and Y drawing on two forms of chromosomes , women only have a pair of the same chromosome. Draw your own conclusions as to what that means, but it's definitely no handicap.In fact in many ways there are clear advantages of the male Y chromosome over the X which the Author refuses to even acknowledge or explore in this publication.

2 out of 5 stars Relies too much on supposition like it's fact.......2005-06-21

He claims stone tools show our teeth became less apelike before we made tools. Jones, we have proven nothing about early man other than he is related to apes and monkeys (through DNA study we did this).

3 out of 5 stars An odd mixture of the interesting and the tedious.......2005-05-02

With its deliberate echo of the title of Charles Darwin's book The Descent of Man (in which "man" means humanity), Y: the Descent of Men is a study of the biology of men (as opposed to women) and maleness. Y is the Y chromosome, which contains the very small proportion of genetic information that men have and women do not. There is much interesting information, but the lack of structure -- a long series of facts stated one after another with very little to link them together -- makes it difficult to read more than a few pages at a time. Likewise the nudging and doubles entendres rapidly become tedious: for example, when we are told that "man's most basic attribute also has a strong tendency to wilt" we are clearly expected to think of erectile dysfunction, though the context tells us that the sentence refers to the tendency of the Y chromosome to lose genes progressively in the course of evolutionary time.

In the Preface Steve Jones tells that he does not plan to compete with other people with the same name -- the lead guitarist of the Sex Pistols, for example, or the champion golfer, etc. -- but will stick to what he knows, the biology and evolution of males. In genetics his expertise cannot be questioned, but there is more to biology than genetics, and the biochemistry in the book is journalistic in style, with starry-eyed references to "special enzymes" that make oestrogen, nitric oxide, and so on, or "special sequences" of DNA that with affinity for particular proteins. The objection here is to the word "special", which adds nothing because the great majority of enzymes are highly specific (the exceptions are mostly involved in digestion and detoxification, and even these are much more specific than the sort of catalysts used by chemists), and many sequences of DNA are likewise specific: in a world where everyone is exceptional, no one is exceptional.

The editing is often careless, as for example in the passage where we are told (apparently) that Pierre de Coubertin, the founder of the modern Olympic Games, forbade athletes' wives from watching the events, with violations punished by being thrown over a cliff. This is clearly not what Jones meant to say, but only because we know that it is absurd can we deduce what he did mean to say. Or what are we to make of the following pair of sentences: "The lowest [sperm] counts were in Copenhagen, followed in turn by Paris, Edinburgh and Turku (which came a clear top). The citizens of Edinburgh should be proud of their cells' ability to swim, which takes the European gold medal"? Does the author think that Turku is not in Europe? (No, as he told us at the beginning of the paragraph that it was a European city). Is he making a distinction between sperm count and swimming ability? (Hard to believe, as this is the first mention of swimming ability in this context). Why would it be a matter of pride, anyway?

More seriously, the whole book encourages a confusion between maleness and possession of a Y chromosome, even though the author is perfectly well aware (and explains in the first chapter) that the system for sex determination used by most mammals is only one of several that exist in nature. The Y chromosome is slowly losing genes, and may conceivably retain none at all after some more millions of years of evolution, but so what? There is no necessary implication that the male sex will disappear and that humans will adopt parthenogenesis.

4 out of 5 stars The human male; Is he really privileged?.......2004-08-17

This is definately an interesting, witty and informative book, if your interested on why half of this worlds population is male and not a quarter or less, considering our potency.
Biologically only a fraction of us are actually necessary to keep mankind going- so why are we that many then?
It covers all spectrums of male live including medically unnecessary circumcisions, quite interesting, as the Western world looks upon female genital mutilation with discontent, but tolerates it on their males, often not even old enough to decide for themselves.

The first chapter can be quiet a turn off, as it tends to be very scientific, but if you get past that, you will have a hard time putting this book down.

4 out of 5 stars Interesting and fun.......2004-06-25

I feel puzzled to see that this book has invoked sharp hostilities among some (mainly US) readers, ascribing "Feminist propaganda at its finest" or "Written by Chicken Little?"
I don't believe Dr Jones "deserves" such fanatical labeling. What he is talking about is how a mollusk biologist views the human (or mammal in general) reproduction mechanism, and nothing more, nothing less.
IMHO, the book is simply interesting and fun as a bedtinme reading (like his other books.)
Or is it that the authour's British writing style never catches on in the US?
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                                        5 out of 5 stars Kipling's stories and poems .......2005-01-29

                                        Kipling is one of the most maligned of all authors. He was too clever, too successful, and too unfashionable in his beliefs to be anything other than derided and envied by his colleagues in the artistic world. That derision carries over to the present day in which Kipling is still regarded as a racist, an imperialist, and a crypto fascist. Actually, Kipling's views seem to me to have been similar to those of Winston Churchill, although he was more sympathetic than Churchill to the people under the British yoke of empire.

                                        Be that as it may, Kipling was a great writer of short stories and poems. "The Portable Library" offers a representative sample of his work, although any Kipling fan will take exception to excluded treasures. Did the editor inexcusably exclude Kipling's most famous poem? If "If" is in the book I haven't found it. And where is "Mowgli's Brothers" from "The Jungle Book" - perhaps Kipling's most famous and influential story, inspirer of Tarzan, the Boy Scouts, and half a dozen movies? Also missing is "Rikki-tikki-tavi" the tale of a fight between a mongoose and a cobra that has thrilled generations of children. "Fuzzy Wuzzy" isn't here either with those famous lines of admiration for a brave opponent, "So `ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your `ome in the Soudan; You're a pore benighted `eathen but a first-class fightin' man."

                                        Most of Kipling's classic stories are here: "The Man who Would be King" which became one of the best adventure movies ever made; "Dayspring Mishandled," a complex and difficult story of literary revenge; "The Church that Was at Antioch,"a tale of early Christianity that sums up the struggle between Jew and Gentile about as well as anything I have ever read; and a tender story of bi-racial love, "Without Benefit of Clergy." The stories included in this collection illustrate Kipling's enormous range - from barrooms and barracks in India to the workings of a future society.

                                        Kipling's poems are famously quotable: "Mandalay, Gunga Din,", and "Recessional." ("Lest we forget -- lest we forget!") Unlike most other writers of exotica such as Somerset Maugham (his rival as the best short story writer in English, in my humble opinion), Kipling was able to imagine himself as other than a modern Englishman. His ability to speak in the voice of his characters - be they a lowly Cockney soldier, a lonely old woman, a fuzzy-headed soldier of Allah, or a politician of the distant future - is unmatched.

                                        Despite the omission of several of Kipling's best works, this collection includes a number of gems that everyone should read.

                                        Smallchief

                                        4 out of 5 stars An excellent introductory sample of Kipling's work........1999-09-12

                                        The only difficulty with collections of Kipling is that he was so prolific that some pieces must be left out. Since this book's very goal was to be "portable", it suffers slightly from this. But the stories included are generally well-chosen. They span Kipling's entire literary career and range of subjects, from early stories of India to a 1930's science-fiction story. I particularly enjoyed the hilarious "Village that Voted the Earth was Flat", the interview with Mark Twain (a classic), and the devious "Dayspring Mishandled", which were new to me. I was also introduced to the author's series of stories of Privates Ortheris, Mulvaney, and Learoyd by this book. I had previously read "Stalky and Company", and this was like "Stalky and Co. Join the Army". However, several amusing favorites from other books were missing, such as "The Ship That Found Herself" and the story about the Army's animals talking to each other. If you haven't read much Kipling and would like to be introduced to this teller of tales, by all means get this book. If you have read Kipling, be sure to give the Table of Contents a scan for stories you might have missed.
                                        The Portable Kipling
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                                        The Portable Kipling

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                                        5 out of 5 stars Stories and Poems .......2005-01-29

                                        Kipling is one of the most maligned of all authors. He was too clever, too successful, and too unfashionable in his beliefs to be anything other than derided and envied by his colleagues in the artistic world. That derision carries over to the present day in which Kipling is still regarded as a racist, an imperialist, and a crypto fascist. Actually, Kipling's views appear to me to have been similar to those of Winston Churchill, although he was more sympathetic than Churchill to the people under the British yoke of empire.

                                        Be that as it may, Kipling was a great writer of short stories and poems. "The Portable Library" offers a representative sample of his work, although any Kipling fan will take exception to excluded treasures. Did the editor inexcusably exclude Kipling's most famous poem? If "If" is in the book I haven't found it. And where is "Mowgli's Brothers" from "The Jungle Book" - perhaps Kipling's most famous and influential story, inspirer of Tarzan, the Boy Scouts, and half a dozen movies. And where is "Rikki-tikki-tavi" the tale of a fight between a mongoose and a cobra that has thrilled generations of children? "Fuzzy Wuzzy" is omitted also with those famous lines of admiration for a brave opponent, "So `ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your `ome in the Soudan; You're a pore benighted `eathen but a first-class fightin' man."

                                        Most of Kipling's classic stories are here: "The Man who Would be King" which became one of the best adventure movies ever made; "Dayspring Mishandled," a complex and difficult story of literary revenge; "The Church that Was at Antioch,"a tale of early Christianity that sums up the struggle between Jew and Gentile about as well as anything I have ever read; and a tender story of bi-racial love, "Without Benefit of Clergy." The stories included in this collection illustrate Kipling's enormous range - from the barracks in India to the workings of a future society.

                                        Kipling's poems are famously quotable: "Mandalay, Gunga Din,", and "Recessional." ("Lest we forget -- lest we forget!") Unlike writers such as Somerset Maugham (his rival as the best short story writer in English, in my humble opinion) and E.M. Forester, Kipling was able to imagine himself as other than a modern Englishman. His ability to speak in the voice of his characters - be they a lowly Cockney soldier, a lonely old woman, a fuzzy-headed soldier of Allah, or a politician of the distant future - is unmatched.

                                        Despite the regrettable omissions of several of Kipling's best works, this collection includes a number of gems that everyone should read.

                                        Smallchief
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                                          The Portable Kipling
                                          Rudyard Howe, Irving Kipling
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